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Grooming

this bit doesnt make much sense. is it meant to say long haired instead of short?

Unlike many long-haired breeds, short-haired Chihuahuas require no trimming and minimal grooming.

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Chihuahua Dogs Origin

The Chihuahua dogs are not a race originated in the Chihuahua State of Mexico, in fact they do not belong to an American Continent race. The Chihuahua race was developed in Turkey.:-D

There existed in the Chihuahua desert a rodent that was dicovered by the scientific naturalist Baron Humboldt in the early XIX century, Humboldt was traveling around the world collecting information about unkown specimens.

The Baron made some drawings of the rodent and reported about it in his scientifics papers. It just happend that the drawings presented an animal that was quite similar to the dog from Turkey, and this created confusion, people began to call the turkish canines with the name of the mexican-chihuahuan rodent.

Alberto Ornelas Chihuahua, México aornelas@uach.mx

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• Thanks for the theory, but it remains that until you provide citations to reliable sources. See WP:V --David Shankbone 00:55, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Just to add to the above comment. There is well documented proof of the Chihuahua dog's discovery in Mexico and it's subsequent popularity in America after examples of the breed were taken there. The very early history of Chihuahuas might be a bit sketchy, but unless your Turkish dogs grew wings and flew to Mexico at some point, your theory goes against irrefutable evidence as to the dogs origins. Crazy-dancing (talk) 03:48, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Did anyone else notice the chronology problems with the chihuahua origin theories? If I knew more I would change it. Can someone who has a basic knowledge of these things I would try to sort it out a bit? Thanks. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.51.95.95 (talk) 03:03, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

These ancient sculptors (with Wheels btw) look like Chihuahuas and they predate Europeans arriving in Mexico: http://www.precolumbianwheels.com/index.41.jpg --173.60.150.248 (talk) 21:41, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

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Famous Fictional Section

I divided This section into two little sections to avoid confussion. Also do we have names for more of these dogs? I know I wouldn't want to be called "The Taco Bell Guy" or something like that. Mr. Invisible Person (talk) 22:36, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

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Lots of Errors

I've not edited Wikipedia before, but I can see I'll have to start, because this article has MANY SERIOUS errors --anyone knowledgeable can point them out.

For example(paraphrased) "Longcoat and shortcoat Chihuahuas are never in the same litter" -- HOW WRONG IS THAT?????

Very. Many if not MOST litters have both types in same litter.

What a crazy thing to say! I am shocked about how wrong this notion is.

When I have time I'll learn to edit and try to correct some points.

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Introduction of Chinese miniature dogs

The article says twice that the size of the Chihuahuas was reduced by crossing them with Chinese miniature dogs introduced by the Spanish conquistadors. Does anyone have any evidence that the Spanish introduced miniature Chinese dogs? or even owned miniature Chinese dogs? It seems to me more likely that Chinese dogs were introduced by the Chinese some generations before the Spanish appeared on the scene. J S Ayer (talk) 02:39, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

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Deer Type/Teacup

There is no such thing as a "deer type" chihuahua according to the ACK/CCA. Any chihuhua that does not have an apple dome is considered an out of standard chihuahua. The only 2 categories of chihuahua are : long coat and smooth coat. In addition, "teacup" is simply a marketing ploy and condemned by the AKC/ CCA. The current entry is therefore very INACCURATE and should be revised. --Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjf500045 (talk o contribs) 11:09, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, there has been significant vandalism on the article, and somehow this came in. I believe I have fixed it by going backwards several days but restoring valid edits. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)

There may be no such thing as a "deer type" chihuahua, however there is a "Deer Chihuahua." I used to have one. The AKC doesn't recognize the breed, but then there are many breeds the AKC doesn't recognize, so that proves nothing. The Deer Chihuahua is quite different in appearance and temperament from the AKC Chihuahua. Rainy Day (talk) 11:20, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

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chihuahua

I am just an IP and don't want to change that, but the link 11 is broken, someone needs to fix that. Thanks, Wiki is great ;) --Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.46.32.200 (talk) 12:35, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

spirt of the warrior --Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.70.9.53 (talk) 04:42, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

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"Conformance Competition"

There is no such thing. Dog shows are "Conformation" shows. Edaselro (talk) 05:11, 17 September 2009 (UTC)edaselro 9/16/09

"Showing dogs is a great sport where the thrill of competition is combined with the joy of seeing beautiful dogs. Dog shows are one of many types of AKC dog events in which AKC-registered dogs can compete. These events, which draw over three million entries annually, include dog shows and tests of instinct and trainability, such as obedience trials, Canine Good Citizen tests, field trials, agility trials, lure coursing, rally, hunting tests, herding trials, tracking tests, coonhound and earthdog events." (from AKC) SchmuckyTheCat (talk) 14:49, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I was not disputing the existence of other kinds of dog events. The issue here is a minor typo/misspelling/you-get-my-drift: the page says "conformance" where it should say "conformation". Edaselro (talk) 15:43, 17 September 2009 (UTC)edaselro

Oh, thanks for noticing. I saw your account is new and the article is semi-protected so you couldn't fix this. I changed the spelling and also linked the terms to wikipedia articles describing breed conformation (dog) and conformation show. Again, thanks for noticing and bringing it up! Sorry previous vandalism made it impossible to fix yourself. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)

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Origins

Citation (3) of the article does not mention Casas Grandes Finding of prototypical dog. What is the evidence that the dog is related to the archeological finding? --Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.216.23.135 (talk) 23:09, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/Joseph_Heintz_d._%C3%84._003.jpg

Painting of Ferdinand II, Holy Roman Emperor, with small dog. Face don't look chihuahua, but body and short hair sure does. Possibility that dog could have come from new world is narrow considering time frame.98.165.16.149 (talk) 16:13, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

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Temperment of Chihuahuas

The section describing Chis as unsuitable for small children and the statement that they exhibit aggressive behavior I believe is untrue. As a breeder, I specifically breed for temperment versus size and the temperment of the dog is primarily a result of their socialization. My dogs and puppies love children and assimilate perfectly well. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.110.175.243 (talk) 22:41, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

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History

Regarding the statement: "The painting, Scenes from the Life of Moses, shows a woman holding two tiny dogs with round heads, large eyes, big ears, and other characteristics similar to the Chihuahua."

If you look at the fresco referred to here, there is only one dog and it's being held by a boy with long hair, not a woman. The dog's head is slightly round, but it's a stretch to say that it is a chihuahua. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.218.201.180 (talk) 04:09, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I have searched high and low for chihuahuas in a Botticelli painting, and I cannot find them. Either include a working link directly to the actual picture, or remove the reference. Leaving it as it is is just cruel. I am all googled out. 76.199.67.31 (talk) 23:49, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Hee hee, all googled out and not fair. I hear ya on that. A woman holding two tiny dogs just is NOT in Scenes from the Life of Moses. So I corrected the article just now. Tis a long-haired boy holding one doggie. It DOES resemble a chihuahua, but I wonder if it might be a puppy of another breed? Anyway, at least the tantalizing tidbit of two chihuahuas painted on a wall of the Sistine Chapel has now been corrected to something more realistic.KatiaRoma (talk) 00:53, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

I realize this is 2014, and it has been about three years, however I was reading the talk page out of curiosity, and I (unsuccessfully) attempted to find a work of art entitled "Scenes from the Life of Moses" by Boticelli. I finally found a wikipedia article called The Trials of Moses (Botticelli), [[1]] I do think the dog resembles a chihuahua more than a "puppy of a larger breed," but on Wikipedia, editing authority is jealously hoarded by people who routinely reject even the assessments of those who are highly trained and experienced in fields, (such as judging "Conformation Shows.")When shown the Botticelli painting, 9 out of 10 would instinctually identify the dog depicted as a Chihuahua. Wikipedia 'experts' would then assert that "This Botticelli was painted around 1481-1482, in Italy. Chihuahuas are from the New World, which we all KNOW was first discovered by white Europeans in 1492." And that is why anyone with a penchant for mind-expanding study and research would be best served by using anything other than politically correct Wikipedia. I miss the days when people with access to information could at least provide a sentence provoking thought beyond the brain-dead PC jargon. We will look back on this censorship as the beginning of a new Dark Age... Thanks for listening. Winston Smith -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.198.128.160 (talk) 00:33, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

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Confusion With Origins of Chihuahua- Turkey vs. Mexico

Perhaps the confusion regarding the origins of the chihuahua dog comes from a reported call to the Butterball hot line wherein the caller reported her chihuahua had gotten inside her turkey. Rocketsnplanes (talk) --Preceding undated comment added 21:57, 25 November 2010 (UTC).

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Images

This is the D part of BRD. I'm all for images in articles, but this seems like overkill. The article right now, at least to me, looks very cluttered, and we frankly don't need that many images to show what a chihuahua looks like. I think we should just remove one image, and that should be sufficient; the article right now has so many images that it's distracting to read. The Blade of the Northern Lights (??????) 19:08, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I do not agree. --Grotte (talk) 17:52, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Any particular reason...? The Blade of the Northern Lights (??????) 21:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes. I do not see the number of images as a problem. There are articles with a lot more images, for example the bridge article, that are not hard to read. But the pictures could be arranged in worse or better ways. --Grotte (talk) 11:50, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Rearranging would work fine; the problem is that one paragraph is completely overwhelmed by pictures which are supposed to supplement it. If that doesn't work, we can shrink down one or both of the images in question, which should work as well. Any particular preference? The Blade of the Northern Lights (??????) 18:00, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

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Intro area

Unsure about this line in the intro..

They are graceful, alert and swift-moving little dogs with saucy expressions.[1] Chihuahuas are highly intelligent and should not be underestimated despite their diminuative size

Though I know it is from a source of some sorts, it doesn't feel neutral to me and the words are based on point of view. Any thoughts? --Preceding unsigned comment added by Cheebuguh (talk o contribs) 01:00, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

You're correct, and I've done my best to sort it out. The first sentence would be okay in the body with a source -- kennel club standards have a tendency to use similar language -- but is unnecessary in the lead, and the second is just silly. - anna 04:55, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Chihuahua intelligence

In the opening paragraph the claim is made that chihuahuas are "highly intelligent". Firstly, this needs an "according to whom" tag. Secondly, this isn't even true, according to the study The Intelligence of Dogs, chihuahuas are not particularly intelligent in comparison to other breeds, in fact they rank close to the bottom of the list. PaganPanzerfaust (talk) 05:16, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, if you can source it to the specific place where it says that, by all means add it to the article. The Blade of the Northern Lights (??????) 05:23, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

That user already did, it's in "The intelligence of Dogs". By all means feel free to correct inaccurate information in the article when another user adds it to the discussion page and provides a well regarded source. 87.112.178.244 (talk) 11:34, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

It is sourced in the link I gave, as the user above me pointed out. I would change it, but this account does not have rights to edit locked pages. This article needs to be unlocked, it is a mess. --PaganPanzerfaust (talk) 22:30, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

I believe it is the amount of time that you spend with any dog, training, behavioural and "intelligence". We have had a few different breads in our life and all of them have had to learn from repetitiveness. You will never see a dog walk by your side unless the dog has been TAUGHT to do so. thanks Spudfin 08/Nov/20011

Appalling Article

This locked article, being edited by supposedly more reliable editors contains this:

"More than most other breeds, how a Chihuahua turns out depends largely on the genetic temperament of his parents and grandparents (entire lines are social or antisocial) and how it is raised (socialization and training) when brought home."

Not only does that say nothing at all (it says the dogs temperament is down to nature and nurture) it would appear to be a soppy attempt to whitewash the statistical fact Chihuahua's are more aggressive than most other breeds.

Why not just state that? 87.112.178.244 (talk) 11:28, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

This was direct plagarism of the source, so I removed it. SchmuckyTheCat (talk) 19:15, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Traits

Under the traits section it says:

Weight Male Under 6 pounds (Under 3 kilograms)

Female Under 6 pounds (Under 3 kilograms)

Height Male 6-10 inches (15-23 centimeters)

Female 6-10 inches (15-23 centimeters)

Where exactly do these numbers come from, and if it's from an organization like the AKC, why is Wiki adhering to the standards of a special interest group who creates specifications for their own purposes? I am going to assume that's the case and purpose we add more general specifications based on the wider range of sizes attributed to this breed pointed out in this article. --Jsderwin (talk) 15:32, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Litter size "usually 5" is incorrect. Litter size averages 3.3 puppies. 2-5 is a good range to post and covers ~80% of chihuahua litters. The research was done by Eukanuba and published in an article giving litter sizes of many breeds. It used to be available online, I am not sure if it is still out there somewhere.64.178.133.181 (talk) 18:07, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

deer/apple head

The difference between the deer and apple head varieties is mentioned in the text but not explained and no pictures are given. Can this be rectified? Thanks. ?????? (talk) 18:05, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Where does the information come from that there are two distinct types, deer and apple? The validity of this distinction is null. Chihuahuas vary greatly in shape as they do in size. There are not two distinct chihuahua shapes, and they do not breed true for shape any more than they do for size.64.178.133.181 (talk) 18:13, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

The article mentions the terms "apple head" and "deer head" four times each, but never defines them. A few photos are tagged as apple head but none as deer head. If these are legitimate terms they need to be defined. If they're not, they should be removed from the article. Mnudelman (talk) 17:43, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

? Phil, can you define apple head versus deer? I think it is just about - looking round versus small. Hafspajen (talk) 17:58, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

New Article from Nature World News: American Dogs have Origins in Asia

A recent study of Mitochondrial DNA in Mexican Chihuahuas confirms that their breed originated in and around Mexico some 2,000 years ago as scientists have been able to match modern Chihuahuas with DNA samples from preserved Chihuahua remains. http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/2903/20130711/american-dogs-origins-asia.htm. --108.0.212.245 (talk) 17:08, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Long haired chihuahua

My 19 week old little gal has nearly a bald neck and chest area! Her fur around the ears looks like the other long hairs I've seen. Will her neck n chest grow hair, although we do love the softness of the bald skin! -- Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjcjcs (talk o contribs) 10:47, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a suitable area for this type of discussion. Yahoo Answers may be a more appropriate site for your concerns. --68.123.154.215 (talk) 07:45, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 April 2014

Example of "Deer head" classification, sable colored Chihuahua [[2]]

thumbnail Mickstr (talk) 16:01, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Not done: Unfortunately it's not just as easy as putting this image into the article. You will need to upload the picture to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons and provide information as to the copyright status of the image before it can be used on Wikipedia, in accordance with Wikipedia's image use policy. --ElHef (Meep?) 17:46, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm not an expert on Wikipedia conventions, but it seems to me that the sections referencing breed standards and the American Kennel Club should be kept to one section, specifically detailing/identifying what the AKC conformations are.

The AKC is an organization with its own agenda and standards that are not necessarily compatible with a world-wide user looking for what should be an unbiased explanation of what a Chihuahua is. Seeing that this breed far predates the AKC, the AKC-related information should clearly and concisely state the origins of the information and what the AKC is for the casual reader, and also leave room for counter-information or note that they are not the expert or decision maker on what a chihuahua is. -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.179.239.58 (talk) 17:06, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

A neutral article should not feature AKC breed standards so prominently.

I'm not an expert on Wikipedia conventions, but it seems to me that the sections referencing breed standards and the American Kennel Club should be kept to one section, specifically detailing/identifying what the AKC conformations are.

The AKC is an organization with its own agenda and standards that are not necessarily compatible with a world-wide user looking for what should be an unbiased explanation of what a Chihuahua is. Seeing that this breed far predates the AKC, the AKC-related information should clearly and concisely state the origins of the information and what the AKC is for the casual reader, and also leave room for counter-information or note that they are not the expert or decision maker on what a chihuahua is. -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.179.239.58 (talk) 17:09, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Image removed

This image doesn't add anything to article. Painted nails and pink jacket.. Hafspajen (talk) 18:30, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Article has too many images in general (21 with many showing similar poses and many of similar coloring). I only reverted you commenting out the image because commenting out doesn't make sense & there was no edit summary to explain. Kirin13 (talk) 18:45, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Article has way many images already. No need to add one more that doesn't add any encyclopedic value to it. Add that one to Rug (animal covering) and hope then everybody will be happy. Hafspajen (talk) 18:49, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Source

I used another Wikipedia article as a source for the Chihuahua being the national animal of the state of Chihuahua. However, as I checked it now from the original Wikipedia article, the information for the Chihuahua being the "national animal" of Chihuahua is unsourced there. Should it be removed from the List of state animals article as well? --Canarian (talk) 17:56, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Requested move

A remark from dog breed task force.

The Chihuahua is not a low importance dog article - it maybe even of high importance - but either way - it is not low - but mid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Chihuahua_(dog)&curid=26998468&diff=625681125&oldid=622915310

Hafspajen (talk) 16:29, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Strongest dog bite?

3900 psi? Dinosaur Fan (talk) 13:20, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Misidentified drawing?

The Mesoamerican illustration used in this article looks more like a deer to me. At least it seams to have horns and possibly hooves.

2015-01-03 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.114.158.174 (talk) 20:05, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

i love chiwawas they are so cute some chiwawas are mean and some are nice -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.248.16.144 (talk) 19:00, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Sunlight

It seems like an editor added a section about chihuahuas and sunlight and another editor removed it. IMHO I think this was an important contribution since we already mentioned the burrowing instinct in the den. I provided a source that I feel supports this edit. BrandenburgG (talk) 18:31, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

@7Sidz, can you please review the edit now which comes with a reputable citation? I think the comment about sunlight is quite constructive now.

BrandenburgG (talk) 18:41, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Deer/Teacup (Again)

I am aware that deer-headed and teacup chihuahuas are not AKC standard, but it's a little ridiculous to not have anything on the page about them. The friggin' Taco Bell dog is a deer-head chihuahua. Half the dogs in Beverly Hills Chihuahua are deer-heads. Make a section for off-standards, say teacups are a mess and deerheads are a popular variation but don't look right, throw in a picture. (The Pembroke Welsh Corgi page has a picture of a long-haired "fluff" corgi, and that's a show-disqualifying fault.The poodle page talks about mixed breed designer dogs and has a picture of a cockapoo. I think having mention of a common non-standard-but-still-purebred variation is entirely reasonable.)

I had an hour-long chat with a dog geneticist from a dog DNA service because I was disbelieving of my dog's half-chihuahua results. She said that, while they don't include it in the results, for certain breeds they can identify things like show/pet/working lines, or american vs english corgis -- and for chihuahuas, they can identify a southwest US variation that's still purebred chihuahua, but is usually deerheaded and substantially larger than show chihuahuas. And my dog is from that population, which is how he's so different from the chihuahua pictured on the information they sent me.

Then I come to Wikipedia and there's nothing about it except people on the talk page insisting that it shouldn't be there because it "doesn't exist." Cantras (talk) 19:24, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Chihuahuas afraid of reflection

After extensive research, our best team of chihuahua experts concluded this breed and mixed chihuahua breeds are afraid of their own reflections. Please ask any questions you may have Gabbbylong (talk) 01:57, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

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